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	<title>Comments on: The NAR Announces the 2008 Going Out Of Business Sale!..maybe not but it sure looks that way</title>
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		<title>By: What Is The National Association Of Realtors Hiding From Its Members?</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Is The National Association Of Realtors Hiding From Its Members?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we called the National Association of Realtors and talked to their head legal counsel and arranged an interview. Ralph Holmen agreed to do the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Barry Cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Tom...you have it all wrong..while it may be bad for many, and since this article was written it certainly has become such..the real professional knows this is the time fortunes are made. We love the opportunities in this market!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Tom&#8230;you have it all wrong..while it may be bad for many, and since this article was written it certainly has become such..the real professional knows this is the time fortunes are made. We love the opportunities in this market!</p>
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		<title>By: tom McGill</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom McGill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 13:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your headline is all doom in your head. A market
can be whatever you make it.  You seem to think
the glass is half empty and on its side!!. I think the 
glass is half full and has plenty of room for a fill
up.  Why don&#039;t you just give up and move out of
the way for those of us who will be aroung in 2+ 
years.  Are you sure you want to get up in the
Morning ???    TM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your headline is all doom in your head. A market<br />
can be whatever you make it.  You seem to think<br />
the glass is half empty and on its side!!. I think the<br />
glass is half full and has plenty of room for a fill<br />
up.  Why don&#8217;t you just give up and move out of<br />
the way for those of us who will be aroung in 2+<br />
years.  Are you sure you want to get up in the<br />
Morning ???    TM</p>
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		<title>By: If 90% of the Buyers Go Away Will 90% Of Realtors Go Away As Well? &#124; BloodhoundBlog: Real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</title>
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		<dc:creator>If 90% of the Buyers Go Away Will 90% Of Realtors Go Away As Well? &#124; BloodhoundBlog: Real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going to do? Earlier this year, we wrote what was viewed as an inflammatory article announcing the NAR Going Out Of Business Sale. Doesn&#8217;t sound too far fetched anymore does [...]</description>
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		<title>By: If 90% of the Buyers Go Away Will 90% Of Realtors Go Away As Well? &#124; Real Estate Radio USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>If 90% of the Buyers Go Away Will 90% Of Realtors Go Away As Well? &#124; Real Estate Radio USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going to do? Earlier this year, we wrote what was viewed as an inflammatory article announcing the NAR Going Out Of Business Sale. Doesn&#8217;t sound too far fetched anymore does [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this guy is an Idiot</description>
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		<title>By: I Told You It Was A Going Out Of Business Sale! &#124; Real Estate Radio USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Told You It Was A Going Out Of Business Sale! &#124; Real Estate Radio USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] January 8, 2008, there was a blog posting here that caused quite the firestorm. In that post it was stated that it sure seemed to us like the National Association of Realtors had [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree that the economists at NAR do not have a complete handle on when the market will be crazy again with prices skyrocketing.  I personally never have liked those kinds of markets because they give a false sense of value to people. 

This last round produced the greediest bunch of sellers I&#039;ve seen in my 21 years of real estate.  But buyers were jumping on the band wagon because the greed bug bit them as well.  HOW CAN YOUR HOME MAKE MORE MONEY EVERY YEAR THAN YOU DO?  Fear gripped some of the buyers because they were afraid that they would never own a home.

It did not take a rocket science degree to see that we were on a collision course in real estate.  Every time the market would start to become sane, the banks would come up with another loan program that continued to fuel the frenzy.  THEN...ALONG CAME THE REAL CULPRITS WHO COMMITTED LENDER FRAUD...falsifying documents, cheating their friends &amp; even relatives, lying to people within their own ethnic communities to misuse their trust to make a buck!

Unfortunately, it IS difficult to determine when things will iron out for America.  Some people are all out afraid that we will go into a serious recession.  I am a very positive person, but my clients need me to be realistic as well.  Real estate is LOCAL.  Just like the weather, there are always pockets that are warmer/colder than other pockets right next door.

I was disappointed with California Association of Realtors in 2006 when they projected soft landing in 2007.  I kept thinking about all the loans from 2005 that were to reset in 2007.  However, I don&#039;t think that we should cast a lot of criticism stones at people who were wrong.  I also think that we should not sensationalize the errors as well.  I grew up in a time when my mother said that you could be honest and still be polite.  

Unfortunately, much like the Savings &amp; Loan debacle, the American people will probably pull the banks out of the mess that they themselves have made with the Sub Prime loan products.  Buyers need to take some responsibility for their own lack of knowledge.  They need to verify information and not blindly trust lenders.  They need to seek Realtors who will take the time to educate themselves first and then educate their clients in turn.

This mess too will pass.  Much of America is in a REO/Short Sale market.  When prices come down enough for an investor to get break even cashflow with at least 20% down, we will see true value.  Local economies can drive prices higher where they make sense.  Someone in another comment said that there are many hourly workers who will never be able to buy.  That will always be true.  

Many would be &quot;Investors&quot; came into the marketplaces with little money down, driving prices unrealistically high.  They bought to &quot;flip&quot; houses at the wrong time.  Sensational &quot;Investors Classes&quot; were being given to pull people into the feeding frenzy who will never be true investors.  They, just like the course presenters, were looking for the quick buck at the expense of others.

We can see from where we are, I hope, that the greed bug can bring about events like stopping the entire economy of France (who invested in sub primes) for an entire day in 2007.  It may take the U.S. economy into the greatest recession since the Great Depression.  Hopefully people will learn this time.  They obviously did not learn from what happened in the 90&#039;s because they helped to create our current potential disaster.

Let&#039;s all begin the clean up and remember not to fall prey to hype, trying to make a quick buck.  My mother told me when I was a child...&quot;Your chickens always come home to roost.&quot;  WE CAN CLEAN UP AND MAKE IT A BETTER WORLD BY PRACTICING THE TRUE GOLDEN RULE:  &quot;Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.&quot;  Make a difference in 2008!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that the economists at NAR do not have a complete handle on when the market will be crazy again with prices skyrocketing.  I personally never have liked those kinds of markets because they give a false sense of value to people. </p>
<p>This last round produced the greediest bunch of sellers I&#8217;ve seen in my 21 years of real estate.  But buyers were jumping on the band wagon because the greed bug bit them as well.  HOW CAN YOUR HOME MAKE MORE MONEY EVERY YEAR THAN YOU DO?  Fear gripped some of the buyers because they were afraid that they would never own a home.</p>
<p>It did not take a rocket science degree to see that we were on a collision course in real estate.  Every time the market would start to become sane, the banks would come up with another loan program that continued to fuel the frenzy.  THEN&#8230;ALONG CAME THE REAL CULPRITS WHO COMMITTED LENDER FRAUD&#8230;falsifying documents, cheating their friends &amp; even relatives, lying to people within their own ethnic communities to misuse their trust to make a buck!</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it IS difficult to determine when things will iron out for America.  Some people are all out afraid that we will go into a serious recession.  I am a very positive person, but my clients need me to be realistic as well.  Real estate is LOCAL.  Just like the weather, there are always pockets that are warmer/colder than other pockets right next door.</p>
<p>I was disappointed with California Association of Realtors in 2006 when they projected soft landing in 2007.  I kept thinking about all the loans from 2005 that were to reset in 2007.  However, I don&#8217;t think that we should cast a lot of criticism stones at people who were wrong.  I also think that we should not sensationalize the errors as well.  I grew up in a time when my mother said that you could be honest and still be polite.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, much like the Savings &amp; Loan debacle, the American people will probably pull the banks out of the mess that they themselves have made with the Sub Prime loan products.  Buyers need to take some responsibility for their own lack of knowledge.  They need to verify information and not blindly trust lenders.  They need to seek Realtors who will take the time to educate themselves first and then educate their clients in turn.</p>
<p>This mess too will pass.  Much of America is in a REO/Short Sale market.  When prices come down enough for an investor to get break even cashflow with at least 20% down, we will see true value.  Local economies can drive prices higher where they make sense.  Someone in another comment said that there are many hourly workers who will never be able to buy.  That will always be true.  </p>
<p>Many would be &#8220;Investors&#8221; came into the marketplaces with little money down, driving prices unrealistically high.  They bought to &#8220;flip&#8221; houses at the wrong time.  Sensational &#8220;Investors Classes&#8221; were being given to pull people into the feeding frenzy who will never be true investors.  They, just like the course presenters, were looking for the quick buck at the expense of others.</p>
<p>We can see from where we are, I hope, that the greed bug can bring about events like stopping the entire economy of France (who invested in sub primes) for an entire day in 2007.  It may take the U.S. economy into the greatest recession since the Great Depression.  Hopefully people will learn this time.  They obviously did not learn from what happened in the 90&#8217;s because they helped to create our current potential disaster.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s all begin the clean up and remember not to fall prey to hype, trying to make a quick buck.  My mother told me when I was a child&#8230;&#8221;Your chickens always come home to roost.&#8221;  WE CAN CLEAN UP AND MAKE IT A BETTER WORLD BY PRACTICING THE TRUE GOLDEN RULE:  &#8220;Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.&#8221;  Make a difference in 2008!</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Keegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Keegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JL, thanks for your kudos, but Cameron is a guy&#039;s name too!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JL, thanks for your kudos, but Cameron is a guy&#8217;s name too!  <img src='http://www.realestateradiousa.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Barry Cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Commnets everyone. Frank you are obviously a very angry guy. Not sure you can point the finger at any one variable for the demise of most agents. To me it was simply the perfect storm.

From here it&#039;s no longer a rescue mission, it is solely a recovery mission. Those who will survive will need to seek shelter in the form of change, while the others will be zipped up in body bags and taken away to work at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/stories/2008/01/10/walmartfollo_0111.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Walmart.&lt;/a&gt;


Check out today&#039;s post for support.

In any event, thank you all for your continued commentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Commnets everyone. Frank you are obviously a very angry guy. Not sure you can point the finger at any one variable for the demise of most agents. To me it was simply the perfect storm.</p>
<p>From here it&#8217;s no longer a rescue mission, it is solely a recovery mission. Those who will survive will need to seek shelter in the form of change, while the others will be zipped up in body bags and taken away to work at <a href="http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/stories/2008/01/10/walmartfollo_0111.html" rel="nofollow">Walmart.</a></p>
<p>Check out today&#8217;s post for support.</p>
<p>In any event, thank you all for your continued commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is to the guy to likes to CAP at people, if everyone is to think like you then this country will be in BIG TROUBLE.  Welfare, food stamps, Sec 8, medicaid, etc....and soon nobody wants to work, and be like you and live like you??!!!??  Come on my dear fellow ex-agent, get a grip, you&#039;re in the wrong profession, move on.  If it makes any constellation, when you&#039;re sitting in your Sec 8 home, buying groceries with your Food Stamps, paying for that toothpaste with your Welfare, seeing a family doctor with your Medicaid, thank us Realtors (not to mention the rest of the hard working people) for helping you with our taxed dollars!!!  ENJOY!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is to the guy to likes to CAP at people, if everyone is to think like you then this country will be in BIG TROUBLE.  Welfare, food stamps, Sec 8, medicaid, etc&#8230;.and soon nobody wants to work, and be like you and live like you??!!!??  Come on my dear fellow ex-agent, get a grip, you&#8217;re in the wrong profession, move on.  If it makes any constellation, when you&#8217;re sitting in your Sec 8 home, buying groceries with your Food Stamps, paying for that toothpaste with your Welfare, seeing a family doctor with your Medicaid, thank us Realtors (not to mention the rest of the hard working people) for helping you with our taxed dollars!!!  ENJOY!!!</p>
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		<title>By: bettinar</title>
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		<dc:creator>bettinar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. OK. The quote of 2007, &quot;Don&#039;t taze me, Bro&quot; has just been replaced with the quote of 2008. &quot;Geez....might want to take a chill, Bro&quot;.  ROTFL...can&#039;t stop laughing!!! What great discourse here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. OK. The quote of 2007, &#8220;Don&#8217;t taze me, Bro&#8221; has just been replaced with the quote of 2008. &#8220;Geez&#8230;.might want to take a chill, Bro&#8221;.  ROTFL&#8230;can&#8217;t stop laughing!!! What great discourse here.</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been in and out of this blog between emailing &amp;  appointments... very entertaining, I must say.  Back to BC&#039;s article, NAR has been known to have semi-unreliable stats, but take them for what they are... forecasts, predictions, estimates!  Make sure to tell your clients to whom you send these stats that they are only ESTIMATES and one can never really know what the future holds.  BC wrote this to make some noise as do all writers on the scene: write for reaction.  Boy, what a reaction.  I am disappointed not seeing more grounded/level-headed response and analysis of our market and our industry.  Everyone who writes in seems to be &quot;bashing&quot; each other rather than responding with sincerity and careful analysis to the issue at hand: our currently uncertain real estate market.  

I agree with Rick in saying REALTORS will not become irrelavent.  The simple truth is consumers WANT help.  They take a risk with every product or service they buy.  They want a good deal, they want information and they want guarantee.  
Those consumers that are loyal to us REALTORs, like us for who we are and/or what we do for them, like in any industry.  My clients use me because I&#039;m likeable, hard-working, go over and above what other REALTORs might do - certainly am not lazy and maybe even do too much at times according to some, and always let them know they&#039;re my #1 priority.  There are some people who want this, and some people who don&#039;t.  Remember, there are those out there floundering, not sure what to do first or next, those without the time to find the resources or drive around neighborhoods.  &quot;Find them&quot; has been my mantra.

Our industry is a CONSULTING industry and it is our duty to remind our clients and prospects of this service and that all the statistics and market updates we can get our hands on are only estimates.  Remind them we can give them consulting on every step of the process to help them find that great deal and analyze on a small scale (per house they find, per neighborhood/subarea).  Keep it simple... home values are down, so what? So, we need put more emphasis on Comparative Market Analysis for the neighborhoods you like (do the extra work, let them know what you did for them and your clients will love you for it).  Unfortunately, another persons loss is anothers gain.  Letting them know how and where they can buy *more home for the money*, always perks my clients interest.  This is a goldmine of a time right now for buyers.  They are our key to regaining the markets in decline. Stimulating and guiding their interest in buying property in these markets is a great business focus.

Our industry will always experience ups and downs and so will our individual businesses.  Cameron is right, this is not an easy business.  Thank goodness for the people leaving the industry now, less competition and possibly less of those who make REALTORs look bad... the worst representative of our industry is the one who is desparate for business and with no heart left in it.

90% of my business is buyers and referral based after only 2.5 years in the industry.  It&#039;s been a great time to buy in beautiful Colorado!   

P.S.  Not yelling with the caps just trying to emphasize certain words. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been in and out of this blog between emailing &amp;  appointments&#8230; very entertaining, I must say.  Back to BC&#8217;s article, NAR has been known to have semi-unreliable stats, but take them for what they are&#8230; forecasts, predictions, estimates!  Make sure to tell your clients to whom you send these stats that they are only ESTIMATES and one can never really know what the future holds.  BC wrote this to make some noise as do all writers on the scene: write for reaction.  Boy, what a reaction.  I am disappointed not seeing more grounded/level-headed response and analysis of our market and our industry.  Everyone who writes in seems to be &#8220;bashing&#8221; each other rather than responding with sincerity and careful analysis to the issue at hand: our currently uncertain real estate market.  </p>
<p>I agree with Rick in saying REALTORS will not become irrelavent.  The simple truth is consumers WANT help.  They take a risk with every product or service they buy.  They want a good deal, they want information and they want guarantee.<br />
Those consumers that are loyal to us REALTORs, like us for who we are and/or what we do for them, like in any industry.  My clients use me because I&#8217;m likeable, hard-working, go over and above what other REALTORs might do &#8211; certainly am not lazy and maybe even do too much at times according to some, and always let them know they&#8217;re my #1 priority.  There are some people who want this, and some people who don&#8217;t.  Remember, there are those out there floundering, not sure what to do first or next, those without the time to find the resources or drive around neighborhoods.  &#8220;Find them&#8221; has been my mantra.</p>
<p>Our industry is a CONSULTING industry and it is our duty to remind our clients and prospects of this service and that all the statistics and market updates we can get our hands on are only estimates.  Remind them we can give them consulting on every step of the process to help them find that great deal and analyze on a small scale (per house they find, per neighborhood/subarea).  Keep it simple&#8230; home values are down, so what? So, we need put more emphasis on Comparative Market Analysis for the neighborhoods you like (do the extra work, let them know what you did for them and your clients will love you for it).  Unfortunately, another persons loss is anothers gain.  Letting them know how and where they can buy *more home for the money*, always perks my clients interest.  This is a goldmine of a time right now for buyers.  They are our key to regaining the markets in decline. Stimulating and guiding their interest in buying property in these markets is a great business focus.</p>
<p>Our industry will always experience ups and downs and so will our individual businesses.  Cameron is right, this is not an easy business.  Thank goodness for the people leaving the industry now, less competition and possibly less of those who make REALTORs look bad&#8230; the worst representative of our industry is the one who is desparate for business and with no heart left in it.</p>
<p>90% of my business is buyers and referral based after only 2.5 years in the industry.  It&#8217;s been a great time to buy in beautiful Colorado!   </p>
<p>P.S.  Not yelling with the caps just trying to emphasize certain words. <img src='http://www.realestateradiousa.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Col E.G. Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Col E.G. Murray</dc:creator>
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		<description>I owned the property 30 years. The main house was finished in 2000 and an addittion added in 04. 2352 sq ft on 5 acres with 5 car shop and parking for my Silver Eagle. We had an appraisal done July 05 at 365K . it is currently on the market at 265k . There is a 4,000 acre timber tract in the front yard under a 99 year lease. I would have taken it to auction but location and visability doesn&#039;t make it a perfect canidate - yes auctioneers pick and choose thier sales. We do return to Florida often for auctions. The Main difference&#039;s between auction and MLS sales are that Auctioneers require 1] Advanced fees for advertising and marketing upfront from the sellers 2] Charge a buyers premium to the sellers. Every market is different as in the loss in Florida is a close match to the raise in value of the 42 acres we purchased in 06 in Tennessee. As to the comment above calling me lazy - we specialized in buying distress , rehabbing and resale. It paid better. Think you can keep up bring on your tools</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I owned the property 30 years. The main house was finished in 2000 and an addittion added in 04. 2352 sq ft on 5 acres with 5 car shop and parking for my Silver Eagle. We had an appraisal done July 05 at 365K . it is currently on the market at 265k . There is a 4,000 acre timber tract in the front yard under a 99 year lease. I would have taken it to auction but location and visability doesn&#8217;t make it a perfect canidate &#8211; yes auctioneers pick and choose thier sales. We do return to Florida often for auctions. The Main difference&#8217;s between auction and MLS sales are that Auctioneers require 1] Advanced fees for advertising and marketing upfront from the sellers 2] Charge a buyers premium to the sellers. Every market is different as in the loss in Florida is a close match to the raise in value of the 42 acres we purchased in 06 in Tennessee. As to the comment above calling me lazy &#8211; we specialized in buying distress , rehabbing and resale. It paid better. Think you can keep up bring on your tools</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Realtors are going to be irrelevant. Bill Gates said something to that effect something like 8 years ago and he pointed to the internet as being the death nail, and it hasn&#039;t happened. Realtors have adapted and use technology to their advantage, (at least the smart ones do). NAR still has one of the strongest lobbies in Washington. We provide an important service to people and, sadly, our collective reputations have gone the way of used car salesmen BECAUSE of the boom market. We had way too many greedy, unethical and inexperienced people get into the business who otherwise wouldn&#039;t have had it not been for the promises of riches.

That said, those people are the ones going out of business. Those will be the people packing it up and, perhaps, putting their licenses with holding companies until the next boom market.

No offense, but I don&#039;t see the auction market taking the place of Realtors any time soon. Because of the default rate, banks are turning to Realtors for BPO&#039;s on properties, not auction houses. In fact, auctioned properties carry a much higher commission (to the auction house) than brokered properties do, sometimes upwards of 7-10% of the sold price. And to participate in the auction suggests you have the money to do so. The average American, outside of e-Bay is not an auction person. They certainly might take issue with buying a home, without an inspection, taking it &quot;as is&quot; with no idea of what they are getting into, simply because they got a &quot;deal&quot; on it at auction. It&#039;s all relative.

To maintain the market, the banks want Realtors to sell the properties as the first line, NOT auction houses. Say you have a neighborhood where the average home is valued at 500k. Now say there&#039;s been even a 20% price recession. Wouldn&#039;t it benefit everyone in the neighborhood and the bank to do a short sale, (of say 25-30% off that 500k value), and maintain the relative stability of values in the area rather than radically skew everything by selling something at auction for say, 50% of the last appraised value? If a home in a 500k area suddenly gets auctioned off for 250k, guess what? Everyone else&#039;s values are adversely affected and, depending on the situations of the individuals in the surrounding homes, we could be talking about an entire neighborhood that is upside down on their loans. If all those people walk away and a trend starts we&#039;ll see the beginning of a greater economic collapse.

Auctions, in my opinion, work well in super depressed markets, (ie blighted areas where investment opportunities exist), or super hot markets where, quite often, the bidders will foolishly outbid each other for the sake of ego and &quot;winning.&quot; 

And what about that 10% commission? On a house that&#039;s 250k the commission could be 25k, about the same a Realtor would charge to sell a home priced at 500k.

How does that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Realtors are going to be irrelevant. Bill Gates said something to that effect something like 8 years ago and he pointed to the internet as being the death nail, and it hasn&#8217;t happened. Realtors have adapted and use technology to their advantage, (at least the smart ones do). NAR still has one of the strongest lobbies in Washington. We provide an important service to people and, sadly, our collective reputations have gone the way of used car salesmen BECAUSE of the boom market. We had way too many greedy, unethical and inexperienced people get into the business who otherwise wouldn&#8217;t have had it not been for the promises of riches.</p>
<p>That said, those people are the ones going out of business. Those will be the people packing it up and, perhaps, putting their licenses with holding companies until the next boom market.</p>
<p>No offense, but I don&#8217;t see the auction market taking the place of Realtors any time soon. Because of the default rate, banks are turning to Realtors for BPO&#8217;s on properties, not auction houses. In fact, auctioned properties carry a much higher commission (to the auction house) than brokered properties do, sometimes upwards of 7-10% of the sold price. And to participate in the auction suggests you have the money to do so. The average American, outside of e-Bay is not an auction person. They certainly might take issue with buying a home, without an inspection, taking it &#8220;as is&#8221; with no idea of what they are getting into, simply because they got a &#8220;deal&#8221; on it at auction. It&#8217;s all relative.</p>
<p>To maintain the market, the banks want Realtors to sell the properties as the first line, NOT auction houses. Say you have a neighborhood where the average home is valued at 500k. Now say there&#8217;s been even a 20% price recession. Wouldn&#8217;t it benefit everyone in the neighborhood and the bank to do a short sale, (of say 25-30% off that 500k value), and maintain the relative stability of values in the area rather than radically skew everything by selling something at auction for say, 50% of the last appraised value? If a home in a 500k area suddenly gets auctioned off for 250k, guess what? Everyone else&#8217;s values are adversely affected and, depending on the situations of the individuals in the surrounding homes, we could be talking about an entire neighborhood that is upside down on their loans. If all those people walk away and a trend starts we&#8217;ll see the beginning of a greater economic collapse.</p>
<p>Auctions, in my opinion, work well in super depressed markets, (ie blighted areas where investment opportunities exist), or super hot markets where, quite often, the bidders will foolishly outbid each other for the sake of ego and &#8220;winning.&#8221; </p>
<p>And what about that 10% commission? On a house that&#8217;s 250k the commission could be 25k, about the same a Realtor would charge to sell a home priced at 500k.</p>
<p>How does that make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Keegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Keegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously the banks are turning to auction, it&#039;s the quickest way to DUMP properties.  Who are the homeowners looking to sell their homes turning towards?  The market is obviously going to become stable in the unstable markets at some point, and then what will happen to the auction business in those markets?  Basically, your boom time is now, when the boom time for Realtors has passed for now.  Everything is a cycle.  

By the way, I read back through a comment of yours.  You said you had that the home you built in Florida had lost $100,000?  Since when?  You also said that you built it 30 years ago.  How much has it appreciated in 30 years, compared to the $100,000 you lost?  Was your home really ever WORTH $100,000 more than it currently is?  What establishes a home&#039;s value?  

This business is supply and demand, just like everything else.  The demand for Florida has shrunk, causing property values to decline.  Guess you should have sold when demand was at its peak, isn&#039;t that the goal anyway?

I had a client move from Orange County, CA about 3 years ago.  He purchased his home 8 years prior for $270,000.  In 8 years time, he put it on the market, and 48 hours later, sold it for $625,000.  He took his money, and got the heck out of California.  He purchased a larger, better quality home here, and still had $225,000 left in the bank.  

What made his home in California appreciate $355,000 in 8 years time?  Was it demand, wildfires, earthquakes, power outages, or mudslides?

Is it any surprise that foreclosures have gone through the roof in this country, and will it be any surprise when another real estate bubble happens in the future?  No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously the banks are turning to auction, it&#8217;s the quickest way to DUMP properties.  Who are the homeowners looking to sell their homes turning towards?  The market is obviously going to become stable in the unstable markets at some point, and then what will happen to the auction business in those markets?  Basically, your boom time is now, when the boom time for Realtors has passed for now.  Everything is a cycle.  </p>
<p>By the way, I read back through a comment of yours.  You said you had that the home you built in Florida had lost $100,000?  Since when?  You also said that you built it 30 years ago.  How much has it appreciated in 30 years, compared to the $100,000 you lost?  Was your home really ever WORTH $100,000 more than it currently is?  What establishes a home&#8217;s value?  </p>
<p>This business is supply and demand, just like everything else.  The demand for Florida has shrunk, causing property values to decline.  Guess you should have sold when demand was at its peak, isn&#8217;t that the goal anyway?</p>
<p>I had a client move from Orange County, CA about 3 years ago.  He purchased his home 8 years prior for $270,000.  In 8 years time, he put it on the market, and 48 hours later, sold it for $625,000.  He took his money, and got the heck out of California.  He purchased a larger, better quality home here, and still had $225,000 left in the bank.  </p>
<p>What made his home in California appreciate $355,000 in 8 years time?  Was it demand, wildfires, earthquakes, power outages, or mudslides?</p>
<p>Is it any surprise that foreclosures have gone through the roof in this country, and will it be any surprise when another real estate bubble happens in the future?  No.</p>
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		<title>By: Col E.G. Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Col E.G. Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whom are the banks turning to , Realtors or Auctioneers ? Like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whom are the banks turning to , Realtors or Auctioneers ? Like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to Cameron.. though she NEEDS none!  She&#039;s got the message right!  Also, I agree with you Col... serious change is due and I think &quot;laziness&quot; is a key word if I may be so bold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to Cameron.. though she NEEDS none!  She&#8217;s got the message right!  Also, I agree with you Col&#8230; serious change is due and I think &#8220;laziness&#8221; is a key word if I may be so bold.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Costello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Costello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Col E.G. Murray 
     I could not agree with you more. If NAR does not make some dramatic changes soon than the face of the real estate industry will change. They are currently Not supporting the troops the way they should.
     As for the LAZY realtor, again I AGREE. Take yourself for example you are an agent/broker that has only sold one off the MLS. Then I put to you that you are a lazy agent that probably does need to move on. Even a blind squirrel will find more nuts than that if they look hard enough.
     On the topic of auctions. I am a fan. I enjoy attending all kinds of auctions. In fact our office tracks the real estate auctions in this area. Yes, there did seem to be more real estate actions in 2007 then there were in 2006. On average they seem to be selling the properties about 27% below what the comps are for the give property. Add to that the 10% to 13% buyers premium. The fact is most of the real estate auctions have a reserve on them that is right around what a full list price would have them at. I.E. most of them donâ€™t sell. The ones that are absolute are generally distressed property that require so much work that it would be less expensive to buy a property from a realtor in the work place. (Not you because buy your own admission your LAZY.)
     The bottom line is the average auctioneer will make twice the commission for a fraction of the work and generally not get the job done on average.
     As for FSBOâ€™s they donâ€™t seem to be a threat in this area. Some will list there home for a lot less then they could have made if they had a realtor (Those sell quick). Some will list there home for a lot more than the comparable home just down the street that selling for a lot less and that FSBO will just take a long time to become discouraged. There are some FSBOâ€™s that will spend the money it takes to advertise it properly, but in the long run it would have been cheaper for them to use a realtor as well.
     As a final thought, good luck with your business. You do provide a need service. However you are going to have to do a lot better convincing me and the rest of the NON LAZY realtorâ€™s that yours is the better way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Col E.G. Murray<br />
     I could not agree with you more. If NAR does not make some dramatic changes soon than the face of the real estate industry will change. They are currently Not supporting the troops the way they should.<br />
     As for the LAZY realtor, again I AGREE. Take yourself for example you are an agent/broker that has only sold one off the MLS. Then I put to you that you are a lazy agent that probably does need to move on. Even a blind squirrel will find more nuts than that if they look hard enough.<br />
     On the topic of auctions. I am a fan. I enjoy attending all kinds of auctions. In fact our office tracks the real estate auctions in this area. Yes, there did seem to be more real estate actions in 2007 then there were in 2006. On average they seem to be selling the properties about 27% below what the comps are for the give property. Add to that the 10% to 13% buyers premium. The fact is most of the real estate auctions have a reserve on them that is right around what a full list price would have them at. I.E. most of them donâ€™t sell. The ones that are absolute are generally distressed property that require so much work that it would be less expensive to buy a property from a realtor in the work place. (Not you because buy your own admission your LAZY.)<br />
     The bottom line is the average auctioneer will make twice the commission for a fraction of the work and generally not get the job done on average.<br />
     As for FSBOâ€™s they donâ€™t seem to be a threat in this area. Some will list there home for a lot less then they could have made if they had a realtor (Those sell quick). Some will list there home for a lot more than the comparable home just down the street that selling for a lot less and that FSBO will just take a long time to become discouraged. There are some FSBOâ€™s that will spend the money it takes to advertise it properly, but in the long run it would have been cheaper for them to use a realtor as well.<br />
     As a final thought, good luck with your business. You do provide a need service. However you are going to have to do a lot better convincing me and the rest of the NON LAZY realtorâ€™s that yours is the better way.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Keegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Keegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can add these sources if you&#039;d like:

School information: 
National Education Association (www.nea.org)
http://www.greenville.k12.sc.us

Crime: 
South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (www.sled.sc.gov)

Company/Business Environment Information:
Expansion Management Magazine (www.expansionmanagement.com)
Greenville Economic Development Center (www.greenvilleeconomicdevelopment.com)
I-CAR (www.clemson.edu/autoresearch/)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can add these sources if you&#8217;d like:</p>
<p>School information:<br />
National Education Association (www.nea.org)<br />
<a href="http://www.greenville.k12.sc.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenville.k12.sc.us</a></p>
<p>Crime:<br />
South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (www.sled.sc.gov)</p>
<p>Company/Business Environment Information:<br />
Expansion Management Magazine (www.expansionmanagement.com)<br />
Greenville Economic Development Center (www.greenvilleeconomicdevelopment.com)<br />
I-CAR (www.clemson.edu/autoresearch/)</p>
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